I think che and/or Carl might be up for it
Is Carl Fandanglos?
yes
I do keep churning thoughts over in my head, so think I should periodically share them.
It is an odd and somewhat cheeky question, but with the PBI game not on in September could FSA be 'legitimately' used?
As a site it does have a couple of somewhat usefull features for the 'scenario' - a 'river', wooded though lighter in the Autumn, mini-hills etc which would all be useful.
Though as it is ideal for the PBI game I don't want to step on any shows, do you know when you were thinking of re-scheduling the Oosterbeek game?
German wise I lean strongly towards trying to run it with Landser - partly because Hoenstauffen ran Lightning wih PBI and partly because I envisage both as some kind of pooer cousin to the elites (SS/FJ and Airborne) and it would be nice to have bog standard US inf vs bog standard Whermacht.
Go ahead and use FSA. PBI won't have a problem at all!
OK. I know Dean isn't hugely excited by the site, but agrees with the practicallity side
How's about Webby? - I know you're busy and have no t'internet at the mo, so I am not badgering per se 
... I don't want to force a site on someone when they want something else.
Landser? Most of the people on 'the list' are members and with a kind of loose organisation I would think one of them would agree to be our German... (we could also ask them to have a chat and decide amongst themselves, if you follow)
sorry, I do keep bugging with my little questions.
Sokay Craig, I should have the internet at home by tomorrow, so should be a lot more pro-active again!
I don't mind FSA, it's a good site and run by a member of the doughboys. I *think* that we could do a bit better than the aerial game, i wasn't enamoured much by what i saw, but never mind!
Firstly sorry for the shit typing, at work and the keyboard here is rubbish and always make me make silly mistakes 
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Some of the Ariel game was great, it did feel less like a single game - where you constantly move forward and backward through a wood - and more like a series of little engagements. I am also unsure how much leeway Chomley and OldUn had from a 'script', but it did feel every now and then that Chomley was trying to outfox the Germans, which was nice.
Butthe ending did leave quite a poor taste in the mouth...
Right. I shall PM Tyreal about the site and some Germans about being German then.
Right, more questions
Datewise??
Now in an ideal world stepping in and doing one on the first weekend in September would be great as that is the date that is set and there is a 'lull' around then. Unfortunately I am broke until the beginning of Oct', because I foolishly buy too many Polish Uniforms 
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Now I know we are not meant to pay for the game, but am also not foolish enough to think it will cost nothing... There are a few props - like field telephones - that I would like to get anyway and if we were to do it sooner then we would be relying much more on a story based around what is already on the site. In principle I don't mind this. sometimes 'props' can be more of a distraction than an asset, but sometimes they can really make it. Given that the game is set around a single squad working in a wood then most props are kind of supurfluous I think (I might be trying to convince myself here though).
Another point on the date is the proximity to Alsos. If we were to aim for say a fortnight after it (1st week in November) then that would be two US inf vs Germans in a very short space of time - plus I fear we might run into a 'northern game and a southern game' type of thing, though as we are the main Northern contingent and are already going to Alsos that is less of a prop' then it could be.
anyway what are people's thoughts on the date? Would pushing it further into November maybe be even more useful? It could even be set in the fighting around that time - but as that was taken up with large scale US assaults and fortress takings it would be less fluid if based in reality.
Or would it be better to go for early September and base the game heavily in story and missions, rather than props?
Early September isn't good... The Victory Show is 5/6 Sept.
fair enough, and much better for me.
Leeway with the dates is not too much of a problem - It would still have been warm in France but Meh it can also be warm here in October. No biggy there Ithink.
Autumn is fine, just watch for the clocks changing, once that happens we lose a lot of light.
I'm ok with dates, obviosuly as equidistant from other games / re-enactments as possible.
As for props, I think if the prop has proper bearing on the actual conflict, then it doesnt matter if you saturate the game with them. Things put in for gimmics is what ruins the realism in my opinion.
If we're basing the game as Craig has suggested on a logistical battle across the middle of france, things like jerry cans and oil drums would be perfect props, things like field telephones or sentry boxes, perhaps not the 1st thing that springs to mind.
Anyway, once we have the scenario, we can organise details like that at a later point.
indeed.
Though one thing I would liek to avoid is 'stealing jerry cans'. I know it is representative but we need fuel for an armoured division, not a ford mondeo 
. Though they are usefull to represent a supplies dump, if stacked with other niceties.
I have PMed Tyreal, and am sending a thing to Steiner - as head of Landser- for his input.
I think basing it on my idea is a good one ( ), mainly because I have done a shed load of reading on it and it sounds great fun, different, interesting et etc. I have a comprehensive OoB now, but would liek to hear from the Germans about what they can do before finding a corresponding division - as no one will have the div patch, whichever is chosen will make little odds - but I would quite like the 'Tough 'Ombres'.
Though a bit of an 'oh cock' is that the clocks change the SUnday after Alsos. Which is a bugger...
If need be move the date to early next year..
This is exactly the reason I was pushing to get Oosterbeek in September... but that didn't work. 
You think?
I would find that a shame, especially now I have PMd people... but firstly you dont loose light, just the perception of it so assuming that we would finish one hour earlier, we could start the same. I don't think that is insurmountable.
There is also the option of holding it the first week in October. That's a fortnight from Alsos as well, though next to Jedburgh.
I would pefer doing it this autumn, not least because I have nearly 3 months of doing NOTHING when I can put time into planning it. Come October I will be in deap dissertation mode so will find it much harder to justify spending three weeks reading up on Patton etc.
What date were you thinking of?
Well there's October 4th. That's 2 weeks before Alsos. One after Jedburgh, but there are not lots of bookings down for that. 'Gunman Ops' is listed as 5th/6th, but I assume that is a mistake and it is the same.
or November 1st. That's two weeks after Alsos. The clocks have gone back then is all.
On the other hand (I have many hands it turns out ) the main thing that has been keeping me to post October is that I have cash by then and can splash out on officers garrison caps and the like... When I run through my mind asking 'what do we need for props?' the list comes back rather short. OK there are explosions, but I have never cared for them anyway.
My point being there is a gap in August. The main (only, really) worry I have with the October dates is the proximity to Alsos. now there is nothing on the airsoft calender, August bank holiday is awkward and TFSS have an event on the 22/23rd but are there re-enactment evnts on the 15/16th? Or is anyone on holiday of course.
I had a reply from Steiner and removed the PM to Alex (so I dont have to say 'thanks but no thanks' later), so there is no pressure on the dates if we think that it would be best to wait until next year
On a totaly unrelated note about dates on August 1st there will be a gathering/party thing at our house - nominally for Deans Birthday - which I am extending an invite to you distant chaps for
Here's the secret calendar... with added extra bits:
July
4 or 5th - CiA Operation Ariel
18+19th Secret missions of ww2 - Gunman
22-26th War & Peace Show - Beltring also Kelmarsh
August
Saturday 8th, Sunday 9th - Crich weekend
22nd and 23rd RAF Upwood Wartime Weekend, Ramsey
29th 30th 31st - Summer bank holiday weekend (detling, sheffield fayre, etc...)
September
5 + 6th - Victory Show
29th + 30th - Operation Jedburgh - Comrades in Arms E&E weekender
October
5th/6th 'Operations' Eastern Front - Gunman Airsoft, Tuddenham
18th Operation Alsos - Army Group South, Tuddenham
November
8th Remembrance Sunday
So...
October 4th, don't care if we clash with a gunman event...
Nov 1st, seems to work, just the clocks that are a pain.
August... 15th/16th, very short notice, we usually left 3 months minimum from announcement date. Also august is holiday season... etc... I have family stuff that weekend.
On officer's garrison caps. I now have two since finding my missing one. What size head are you?
Officer's insignia I can lend out in spades... lol
ha ha. I'm a 7 1/4 head size, but would be wearing a helmet. Though I would like to borrow for any social. 
Clashing with Gunman ops - no problem for me. BUT it's the Eastern front one and there look to be a fair few people interested in it (mumbles angrily to himself).
Do many people go to the 'ops' weekends? I suppose it's a cheaper alternative to the full ones.
Yith with family things - if we four can't do it then it is a no goer as far as I am concerned
November - Does look the most 'secure'.
The other option, and I can not believe I am saying this , is that we view Alsos as the kind of 'honorary' doughboys outing and be prepared well in advance for two games - Tunisia and Lorraine - in 2010 (June and September).
Given that knowing one way or the other is most preferable at this point I would suggest that we, simply, vote so we have a oe way or the otehr decission, as I could list pros and cons forever really.
Oct 4th
Nov 1st
Next Year
All three are fine for me.
